Where Should a Flow Meter Be Placed?

06 Jan.,2025

 

Where Should a Flow Meter Be Placed?

Introduction to Flow Meters and Their Importance in Industrial Applications

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Flow meters are essential devices used in various industries to measure the flow rate of liquids, gases, or steam. They provide critical data that allows engineers and operators to monitor and control the flow of substances within a system. Accurate flow measurements are crucial for optimizing efficiency, identifying potential issues, and ensuring compliance with safety and regulatory standards. In this article, we will explore the importance of flow meters and discuss the factors to consider when deciding their placement within a system.

Factors Affecting Flow Meter Placement

When determining the ideal location for a flow meter, several factors must be taken into account. These factors include the type of fluid being measured, pipe configuration, flow regime, and presence of disturbances such as bends, valves, or pumps. Proper flow meter placement ensures accurate measurements by minimizing the impact of factors that can cause turbulence, restricted flow, or distorted readings.

Upstream vs. Downstream Placement

One of the primary considerations in flow meter placement is whether it should be installed upstream or downstream of disturbances in the fluid flow. Upstream installation refers to locating the flow meter closer to the source of flow, while downstream installation places the flow meter after the disturbances in the system. The decision depends on the specific requirements of the application.

For many flow meters, upstream installation is preferred as it allows the meter to operate under more stable flow conditions. By placing the meter closer to the source, disturbances caused by downstream elements like valves or pumps can be minimized. However, certain flow meters, such as ultrasonic meters, may require a straight pipe run upstream to ensure accuracy. In such cases, downstream installation might be more suitable, especially if space constraints make it challenging to achieve the required straight pipe section upstream.

Ideal Pipe Locations for Flow Meter Placement

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In addition to considering upstream vs. downstream placement, selecting the right pipe location is equally important. Flow meters generally perform best when installed in straight sections of pipe, where the fluid flow is fully developed and stable. Experts recommend installing a flow meter at least ten pipe diameters upstream and five pipe diameters downstream from any disturbances, such as elbows or valves.

When it is not possible to achieve the recommended straight pipe sections, flow conditioners or straightening vanes can be installed to improve flow stability. These devices help to minimize turbulence and ensure more accurate flow measurements. Careful consideration of pipe location and potential disturbances ensures optimal flow meter performance and accuracy.

Impact of Pipe Size and Material on Flow Meter Placement

The size and material of the pipe also play a role in determining the ideal placement for flow meters. Large diameter pipes enable a more even flow distribution, reducing the impact of swirl or uneven velocity profiles. If flow meters are to be installed in smaller pipes, it is crucial to ensure sufficient straight pipe sections upstream and downstream to allow the flow to straighten and stabilize.

Additionally, the material of the pipe can influence the choice of flow meter technology and placement. Some flow meters are not compatible with certain materials due to conductivity, corrosiveness, or other factors. It is essential to consider the pipe material when selecting the flow meter and its location to ensure compatibility and accurate readings.

Conclusion:

Determining the ideal placement for a flow meter is a critical consideration for any industrial application. By understanding the factors affecting placement, such as pipe configuration, flow disturbances, and fluid properties, engineers can make informed decisions to optimize accuracy and performance. Proper flow meter placement ensures reliable and precise flow measurements, enabling operators to monitor processes effectively and make informed decisions regarding efficiency improvements, maintenance, and safety.

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The drawing below shows the future layout of our test system. For the position of the magnetic flow meter, I think if provided a few pipe diameters straight length upstream and downstream of the flow meter, it's location wouldn't affect too much on the flow measurement and ultimately the performance of the control loop it forms with the automatic flow control valve. However, I am not certain so would like to have your feedback regarding the best position of the flow meter. We need to control the flow rate at the test vessel inlet. At this point the set flow rate and the actual flow rate should be equal.



The possible locations marked A-F are shown on the drawing. X and F are the current positions. The location choices are basically either before or after the flow control valve. I wonder if installed further downstream (i.e. the vessels in between and long pipe length) there might be a delay and it may affect the flow control loop. What do suggest? Do you see any other issues? Several years ago, Siemens put their magmeter on a flow stand to test it for compliance with the European potable water distribution standard, ±2% accuracy, regardless of upstream of downstream piping elements.

Siemens has a 7 minute video showing the various combinations of elbows and tees that were used.
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The Siemens meter passed. Interesting to have an uncertainty value to associate with piping elements upstream or downstream of a magmeter, which had not been available previously. I recall that Toshiba made a similar claim for one of its magmeters about the same time.

I am mystified why the zero-up/zero-down (number of diameters up or down stream) claim is not asserted for all flow meters. How much do magmeter models differ from one another? They're all an open tube with a couple electrodes somewhere in the middle. How much could one magnetic flux pattern differ from a flux pattern in a different model?

To your point about location with respect to a control valve, is the swirl pattern and its effect on the flux from close coupled elbows and tees more severe, causing more error than the swirl from a control valve? Apparently so, because Siemens specifically states at 6:50 in the video that the test results do not apply to partially open control valves upstream of a magmeter (5th bullet point).

My opinion is to get the magmeter either upstream or as far downstream of the control valve as is feasible.
Actually you might be running a risk of blowing out or dishing the filter too.

Normally you want to maintain as near a constant pressures and flows as possible everywhere during measurement. Doing that nicely requires a constant source pressure (your pump) and a constant sink pressure (your reservoir). That will avoid flow and pressure surges. If your reservoir will hold a more or less constant pressure for all operating flow rate, then you wouldn't need a backpressure valve to do that. I dont know the details of the reservoir, so I can't say if it will act to hold a minimum pressure in your pipe or not. I also do not see a means of controlling differential pressure across your filter, or your system as a whole.

The system I see has flow control, yet you say you want to control pressure, specifically pressure across your filter when testing. Right now you will set a flow rate and upstream pressure will be whatever pressure it takes (providing that the pump can reach it) to deliver your set flow rate. Downstream pressure will be whatever the reservoir pressure is (when flowing your set flow rate).
Pump discharge pressure could vary, if your filter picks up particles, as it tries to keep your set flow rate. That might get guite high, potentially blowing out your filter. The downstream pressure is whatever the reservoir pressure is at the set flow rate. Neither pressure is being actively controlled. If that is the way you want to do it, leave it as it is.

If you want to control pressure drop across the filter, then change the flow control valve to control its downstream pressure. You will then have control of pressure upstream of the filter. If the filter picks up particles, the upstream pressure will not increase, potentially blowing the filter. So far, to control differential pressure across the filter, you can set upstream pressure, but downstream pressure will be your reservoir pressure. If the reservoir can control pressure satisfactorily by itself when testing the filter, you're good. If it cannot, then you will need a backpressure valve to do it. If you have a backpressure valve, then you will have positive control of the differential pressure across the system and hence also across your filter and the flow meter too. Otherwise that will be whatever the reservoir can hold on its own. It may be suitably stable, or not. A pipe discharging over the rim of a tank, might not work well, but some other arrangement might. I dont know what you've got there. A back pressure regulator just creates a fixed back pressure upstream of where it is installed.

So in this instance it would be set at say 1 bar to make sure that the meter is at a relatively fixed pressure.

That's all it does. So as the flow and pressure increase it open a bit and if the flow slows down then it closes. It won't have an impact on your other control valve which is controlling on flow, but you could integrate both and just take the lowest value into the valve.

But another issue is differential pressure as mr 44 says so again this is an input into the low selector block so if it exceeds say 1.5 bar then it closes to restrict flow and DP

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You can actively control flow with a flow control valve, but pressures will be whatever they must be to deliver that flow, provided the pump and reservoir can adjust to those pressures, or ...

You can actively control upstream pressure with a pressure control valve and let the reservoir pressure be whatever the reservoir allows it to be and flow will be whatever flow upstream and reservoir pressures allow. You have positive control of upstream pressure only. or ...

You can actively control upstream pressure with the pressure control valve and actively control downstream pressure with the back pressure valve and flow will be whatever that pressure difference allows. You can figure out what that flow will be, or what you want it to be and set those pressures accordingly.

If you can decide which is best for your testing purposes, then we're in business.
For doing accurate as possible testing, I'd think having both pressure control valves is the best choice.

Having a backpressure valve will also help you to keep the meter full and ready to run when you turn the pump on. You won't have to wait for it to fill up and get all the air out, etc. Easier to operate.





@ -44, Thanks for your detailed feedback. Perhaps it wasn't clear from my previous posts that the purpose of this test rig is to load the filter with contaminants at a constant flow rate. So we don't need to control the pressure drop across the filter. Rather we record the increase in pressure drop across as the filter gets loaded more and more while maintaining a constant flow rate. So we aren't actually controlling pressure.

Here is the layout with the reservoir



The water level in the reservoir during the whole test remains constant so its pressure should also be constant.

The discharge pipe arrangement is over the rim but I haven't finalized whether it will be immersed or terminate above the surface of the water. What could be the issues with discharge over the rim?